Bailed Out!
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/07/28/1375497/jason-young-released-on-900000.html#ixzz1TQeACgMp
So. Mama Pat bailed his ass out. She put up five pieces of property, totalling $1.1 million, for a 900K bail.
Will he (heh) stand “pat,” or will he run? I am guessing he is confident in his ability to snow the jury once again, and will stay. Who knows–he may need Mama again some time.
Of course, we need to remember that, now that he has obligingly got up on the stand and testified, he has finally locked hmself into a story. All it takes is proof that any part of his account is false, and down he goes. I think that the prosecution should be analyzing the footage of his testimony very carefully, with the help of body language experts and http://blog.eyesforlies.com/. I am aware that neither of these analyses can be admitted in court, but at least they can let the prosecution know where to hammer.
Please…somebody hammer at this lying areshole. I know that confessions on the stand are rare…Perry Mason aside…but wouldn’t it be awesome?
“Look at these pictures, Mr Young. Now you know as well as I that those photos are not of the same shirt. Can you please explain to the jury why the police didn’t find this shirt in your luggage? After all, your mother did swear under oath that nothing was unpacked or left at her house in Brevard…”
“Just why did you not claim the life insurance you bought and paid for?”
“Why did you tell two different people two different stories about your stay at Hillsville?”
“Please demonstrate for the court how you reached a twig to put in the hotel door.”
I hope the judge will instruct the jury in the legal definition of “reasonable doubt,” and that they get a jury smart enough to apply it, instead of insisting that the case be proven to the standards of a fictional crime show.
Mistrial!
Gojo has yet to weigh in on the current situation.
It is so hard to believe that, after debating a little over 10 hours, the jury was irrevocably hung! I guess they don’t run juries like “Twelve Angry Men” any more.
Still, I have to believe that the prosecution didn’t present their case as well as they could have. The insurance policy was never mentioned. Surely greed is a motive that the jury could understand. Then, there was the sweater. They didn’t emphasize that the important thing is that it wasn’t in Jason’s luggage. They didn’t actually emphasize a lot, except for Jason’s infidelity. And really, people…spouses are unfaithful all the time, without committing murder. I don’t know…it just seemed like the prosecutor didn’t bring her “A” game.
So, there’s going to be a retrial. I hope. Because Jason Young killed his wife.
There are some plusses for the prosecution. They have Jason locked into a story. Now they just need to disprove it. They also know what didn’t work.
So, let’s go! Let’s get this thing up and running again. Michelle and Ryland deserve Justice.
We shall see.
Gojo the Threatmeister
One more thing, Scout. I really wish you would publish the name of the bitch who wants to talk about my daughter. I’m got people looking, but you could hurry the process along. Thanks. –Gojo
Now, ain’t dis nice!
Gojo and his daughter put themselves smack dab in the middle of this case from the very beginning! His daughter was the visit control officer for the Young clan when the Fishers visited with Cassidy. His daughter was touted by his very own self as a counselor who was going to help Michelle’s child get through the horrible aftermath of her father’s actions.
In short, Gojo, you AND YOUR DAUGHTER deserve everything they get on any board extant where this case is being discussed.
Your history of threatening people whose opinions you fear goes back to the early days of the investigation. You tried to get reporters fired from news outlets. You succeeded in getting one poster fired from her job, and attempted the same with others.
Wow! I just had a thought…did you ever come after me? Oh well, probably not–after all, I’m not a heavy player in this case, just an opinionated curmudgeon.
Here’s one of the posts Gojo is so pissed off about:
TRIAL!
“Ain’t Gonna Be No Trial” became the mantra of the Gojo-man. “Ain’t Gonna Be No Trial.”
I wonder how many times he had to say it over and over in order to fall asleep at night.
“Ain’t Gonna Be No Trial.”
Well, Gojo, here’s your trial. We got to hear Meredith, Linda, Heather, Pat, and the Golden Boy, himself. Four hours, Jason defended himself, answering questions tailored to the prosecution’s assertions. Some of his answers were pretty stupid. The twig in the door, frinstance. Uh huh. Did he not realize the jury would see those photos? Is Stretch Armstrong Jason’s alter-ego? And what about the cigar thing? He must have known that lie could be easily disproved. Especially since one of the provisions of the Cassidy agreement was that she would not be exposed to tobacco smoke. Please! Still, he was all boyish charm, wasn’t he? Facially animated, gesturing…I could see the salesman, and he did a damn fine job of hawking his purported innocence. The fun part, though, is that nobody is buying. It’s just not credible for a man to say he loves his wife, while systematically boinking every woman in sight. It was funny (in a sick sort of way) when the comments on the boards ran to, “OMG…ANOTHER ONE????
“Ain’t Gonna Be No Trial!”
Right, Gojo!
Oh. And then, the trial was going to exonerate Jason.
I realize that the verdict is not yet in but, really, people!
I mean…who else is there? Gojo and others tried to make the case for Meredith as the possible killer, as well as unidentified strangers. The latter makes no sense at all…the overkill indicates some intimacy between the victim and the killer. It takes that to produce enough anger to do that much damage. I think we all understand that, hence the attempt to smear Meredith, as the only other person close enough to Michelle to inflict that much damage.
Seeing Meredith on the stand should have allayed anyone’s concerns about her sincerity and honesty, especially in contrast with Jason’s sales pitch. No longer can Gojo sustain the Jason-Moral-Mountain-Man image. He sent his wife an anniversary card virtually from the arms of his mistress! How very loving, Jason! He had sex with at least three women outside of his marriage.
He lied and lied, and lied. I am so glad he got on the stand. I’m glad his mother and sister did, also. We may have got a glimpse into the psychology of this family. This jumped out at me…Jason was allowed to tease and terrorize his sisters, which Pat chalked up to “love.” I have to ask, what kind of love is this, that is expressed in cruelty and abuse? Because that’s what it is. It’s verbal, psychological and emotional abuse. Love, my ass!
But, I digress. The trial. Personally, I think it’s probably never a good idea for the defendant to taked the stand, unless he can be completely open and honest…i. e.., innocent. This one, for all his boyish charm, was not particularly convincing.
I’d love to see Eyes For Lies’ take on Jason’s performance.
“Ain’t Gonna Be No Trial.”
I strongly doubt there will be an exoneration.
Wait and see. And wait.
Why Won’t He Go Away?
I would LOVE to see Dr. Godwin appear for the defense as their star witness.
OMG, now that will be worth a trip downtown. lol, lolBTW, JLY’s DNA cannot be excluded from the jewelry box swab recently done at LabCorp.
Who’s desperate? You’re the one insulting the training of the cops. I’m
certainly pleased that the Lab professionals were able to pick up at
least a hint that Jason had been in that house during the past two years.
They are the experts!!!
I’m glad you didn’t blame Mere nor her mother for dropping the butts
or the hair. I mean, just because they were the first ones
in after the cops left doesn’t mean they are guilty.
–Gojo
Still Fighting the Not-Good Fight
Saturday night and no party!! Why don’t you young people
shut down the computer and party?
Don’t know which Surfy is on tonight. The smart one must
have got a laugh-out-loud kick when the hotel guy looked at
the landscaping rock the cop showed him and said, “Yep, that’s the one.”
I know the cops didn’t have one of them lava sniffing dogs with them….
they would have bragged about it. How many lava rocks were
out there?
–Gojo
As one poster pointed out…nowadays we can post from the party! Isn’t it amazing that discussion of a trial can be more important than partying? I can just hear it…music, the clinking of glasses, the murmur of conversation…and there is Surfside or Wyn or Janetruth glancing through the comments on her phone and typing in a comment between canapes. When a non-crime-obssessed guest asks, the commenter will say…”It’s my broker,” and the other guest will nod understandingly.
This conceit of Gojo’s that there are two sides to Surfside6 goes back quite a long way. Because she looks at both sides of any given question, Gojo actually likes some of her thoughts as expressed in her comments. When that happens, of course he is reading “smart Surfy.” Whenever she says something he can’t argue, he claims he’s talking with the “other one.” he fails totally with the lava rock. Lava rock being somewhat soft (for a rock), it could well have some sort of mark left on it from being crammed in the door. It’s not as if it’s obsidian!
I doubt the defense is through with Mere yet. Don’t you reckon
they will recall her?
–Gojo
You really need to quit beating that dead horse, Gojo. Meredith (not Mere, Meredith) has nothing to say that will help Jason’s defense. He discarded any hope of that when he gave his daughter up to her without bringing out all the things you claim about her at the custody hearing. Did you notice in her testimony that she was SURPRISED that he did that? She was hoping to achieve visitation, and she got the whole banana because Jason was not willing to open his mouth in defense of his rights as a father. Now, if his defense is going to claim that Meredith had something to do with her sister’s murder, your boy has some ‘splaining to do!
Ah, but I did advise you not to embrace fully
those clever twisted cop theories. Much more to come
that no one has told you.
By the way, I haven’t seen you comment yet about the
Living Will. Is that something your lawyer bud forgot to mention?
Now let’s go find a party!!
–Gojo
Still obssessing over the party thing, Gojo? How about you hang up your dial-up connection, turn off your Windows95 and go watch some Lawrence Welk on the VCR?
While I have no doubt we are going to hear things no one has ever told us, I don’t think they are what you think they are. You are still spinning decidedly unclever twisted Gojo theories that don’t make sense. Remember, we have been telling you for years: The truth makes sense. If it doesn’t make sense, it’s not the truth. As for Jason and Michelle’s Living Will, PLEASE look up the legal rules on Living Wills. The clause that would have sent Cassidy to live with Heather would have applied ONLY if Jason and Michelle were both deceased. Why is this fact so difficult for you to grasp? Jason is not dead. You did figure out that part, right? The living Jason made the decision that keeping his mouth shut was more important than retaining custody of his daughter. He in fact, permitted her to be handed over to Meredith; the very same Meredith that you STILL seem to think has something that will help in his defense!
Please try to keep a grip on reality, Gojo, no matter how tenuous.
Gojo Never Quits
I reckon you’re misleading some posters, Scout.
Your list is not “evidence”. A bloody finger print
on the closet door, on the shower wall, on a door,
on the murder weapon—That would be ‘evidence’.
I don’t know how to help you to label the totality
of your list. Just leave it as is I reckon. To avoid
embarrassment, you should not wed yourself
too closely to this list of “stuff”.
–Gojo
Gojo, Gojo, Gojo. You never give up, do you? Hang on a mo…let me get Scout’s impressive list to which you are referring.
- Affair with Michelle Money…not damning by itself, but goes to motive
- Other incidents of womanizing and infidelity…ditto
- Hushpuppies footwear impression…one small brick in the wall
- Franklin footwear impression…ditto
- Murder weapon…last I heard, this had not been found, but if they can figure out what’s missing that could have killed her, it’s another brick.
- Deck boards – does shoeprint match Franklin shoeprint?...if it does…hoo boy!
- DNA from print surrounded by blood spatter on wall…this is extremely significant. If (for instance), he leaned on the wall for leverage as he hit Michelle, and blood spattered over the hand or whatever he braced himself with…he’s toast.
- DNA from jewelry box…no stranger DNA? Just where is the missing jewelry, anyway? With the weapon and his clothes?
- Jason’s closet ransacked; Michelle’s untouched; cash in new wallet allegedly stolen…I don’t believe in the cash in the new wallet.
- Cassidy clean…yup. No stranger would have done that.
- Cassidy’s bloody footprints in bedroom and bathroom but not in hallway…ditto. Somebody carried her from bedroom to bath.
- Cassidy’s bloody socks in bedroom…ditto. Puts Cassidy just where Jason didn’t want her.
- Dog – where was he; what condition? Meredith says “freaking out.”…can’t wait to hear her testimony about that.
- Pancof-PD prescription cough medicine in Cassidy’s room…Gojo discounts this, but that’s only because he’s not a mother. No mother leaves medicine where a child could get it.
- DNA and medication from oral syringe in Cassidy’s room…remember Pat saying that Jason told her he had given Cassidy diluted adult medications? Uh huh. If he felt he had to tell her that, it’s going to be a problem for him.
- No forced entry…brick in the wall.
- Garage door unsecured…ditto.
- Blood trail…I have actually forgotten about this. If someone would refresh my memory in a comment, I would appreciate it.
- Coach purse document – timed out eBay auction…lamest of the lame excuses.
- Clean up – in the house, outside?…looking forward to hearing what evidence is presented about this.
- New York Times delivery person sighting of SUV…fits the timeline, no matter what Gojo says.
- Gracie Bailey Dahms’ sighting of Jason buying gas at 5:27 am…this is very significant. It puts Jason in between Hillsville and Raleigh, and gives the lie to his claim to have been in the hotel all night.
- Security video from Hillsville Hampton Inn…no matter what they say about how he was just walking TOWARD the door, there is logically no reason to walk toward a door if you’re not on your way out through it.
- Key Card usage and lack thereof…one usage. Uh huh. Another brick.
- Rock in exit door…ditto
Tampering with security camera…coincidence? I think not.
Phone calls – Michelle Money…couldn’t stay off the phone with her, could he? Except for those few lost hours…
- Phone calls – Pat Young…28 calls–and then, nothing. What the hell does a 30-something man have to say to his mother that takes that many calls?
- Phone calls – Michelle Young…someone will testify as to whether his calls to Michelle were consistent with his normal pattern.
- Phone calls – Meredith Fisher…the “fluke,” remember?
- Ignored calls – Linda Fisher…consciousness of guilt.
- Cell phone pings and power on/off…ya can’t ping when you’re not on.
- Fuel usage inconsistencies…brick in the wall.
- Late departure and stop in Hillsville (halfway to meeting)…ditto.
- Late for meeting…why? Inquiring minds want to know.
- Hyper and nervous demeanor…ditto. Not to mention going off on Grace Dahm.
- Shorts and T-shirts in luggage; lack of appropriate clothing…he really, really didn’t expect to get all bloody.
- Change of clothes at midnight; clothes never found…this is also huge. The clothes in which he left the hotel never did turn up. Why?
- Missing Hushpuppies; other shoes purchased at same time found in Jason’s storage unit along with cream-colored sweater he wore on 11/2/06…I’ll bet real money they are with the clothes, missing jewelry and weapon.
- Objects seen in Jason’s hand in Hampton Inn video…gloves, maybe?
- Contradictory statements to friends about reason for stopping in Hillsville…if you’re gonna lie, it’s best to be consistent.
- Search terms on computer – “anatomy of a knockout”, “ischemia”, “head trauma knockout”, “right posterior parietal occipital region”, “divorce”…computer searches take down so many killers.
- Testimony from Shelly Schaad regarding Jason’s demeanor, dress, and behavior before leaving home…looking forward to hearing this.
- Shelly Schaad’s testimony regarding phone calls she overheard between Jason and Michelle Thursday evening…ditto.
- Impromptu side-trip to Brevard when Jason’s friends were expected to arrive for NCSU Homecoming weekend…another inconsistency.
- List of items reported missing by Jason Young via Pat Young…pearls? Please! No random druggie steals pearls. Too difficult to tell if they are real…
- Failure to cooperate or inquire about investigation…no matter how you spin it, it exudes consciousness of guilt.
- Marks on Jason found at NTIO…coincidence? Once again, I think not.
- Fight at Wedding…I’m dying to hear the skinny on this. And who locked whom out of the hotel room?
- Trip to California…no matter now it is spun, it’s aberrant behavior.
- Hostile email from Jason to Michelle…that was very cold. Points to motive.
- Public fights between Jason and Michelle…a “volatile relationship,” indeed.
- Jason’s public mistreatment and verbal and emotional abuse of Michelle…ditto.
- Disparaging talk by Jason about Michelle and his marriage…ditto, ditto.
- Jason’s email to Camp Illahee girl claiming to be unmarried…that Jason! Isn’t he a rascal?
- Carroll Anne Sowerby’s visit the week prior to the week of the murder; problems between Jason and Michelle at that time…suspicious activity, pointing to motive.
- Ring-swallowing incident…ditto the rascal.
- Jason’s drunken party incidents and problems caused in marriage…he was such a prize, wasn’t he?
- Therapist; issue of divorce?…this testimony will be interesting, to say the least.
- Jason’s emails to Kim after the murder…all that stuff about the fuss dying down and blowing over–what husband of a murdered wife wants that? Consciousness of guilt again.
- Behavior toward Michelle’s family after murder…ditto.
- Abandoning Raleigh home…ditto.
- Failure to file claim for Michelle’s life insurance…huge. Nobody takes out a cool mil in insurance and then doesn’t claim it.
- Moving on; not attending memorials or contributing financially to funeral or headstone…truly a prince among men.
- Trolling for dates on Internet using pictures with Cassidy…so cute.
- Refusal to allow Linda Fisher to have contact with Cassidy…Just WHAT was he so afraid Cassidy would tell her?
- Giving up custody of Cassidy…also huge. No father does that without a very pressing reason.
Many of these things can be individually explained or spun away, but, together, they will lock Jason Lynn Young up for the rest of his life, no matter what the moot one says.
The Once and Future Gojo
I was wrong. And I reckon sometimes it’s good to be wrong.
Without a trial, Jason would have this case hanging
over him for the rest of his life. No way to “get on
with his life”. I reckon we all want Justice
for Jason’s wife and baby. I came here for that.
–Gojo
“Ain’t gonna be no trial.” He said it over and over, on any board that would let him post. “Ain’t gonna be no trial.” So now that there actually IS going to be a trial, he still wants us to think his Golden Boy will be exonerated. Spin, spin, spin, Gojo…
Let me put it this way, Scout: I think Brad Cooper got shafted
by that jury. I reckon the same thing might happen to
Jason, too. I hope you will ask me again after we see
what the persecution has to say. So far, I only know
part of the evidence.
I just heard that the judge seems to be a no-nonsense guy
who will keep the lawyers on task. Good to hear.
–Gojo
Cooper got “shafted,” did he? Does Gojo think that every husband convicted of killing his wife got “shafted?” Cooper defended himself in the Wrongful Death Suit. That gave the prosecution six hours of video that could be (and was) used against him. The man was convicted by his own words and actions, Gojo, and not “shafted” at all. Or are you one of those who thinks Nancy Cooper deserved to die?
By the way, if you are considering approaching
any of the Brevard friends, I advise against it.
You’re not too well-liked. Somebody might
whip out a basketball.
–Gojo
This is, of course, a reference to the “NC Wanted” cameraman who was pegged with a basketball when filming an attempted interview with Jason during a basketball game in Brevard. The infamous “You came here for THAT?” quote dates from then. As an aside, has anyone been keeping track of Gojo’s threats? I know of one poster at Friction Powered who lost her job because of Gojo, and a few more who felt very threatened. Plus a couple of reporters felt the heat. Gojo was a veritable threat factory for a while, there. Good to know he’s consistent in some things…
Law enforcement will screw you. Don’t forget that.
The right thing to do is to protect yourself and force
the cops to search diligently for the killers. In this case,
law enforcement settled for the easy arrest.
–Gojo
O geez! Still on that old kick, eh Gojo? You couldn’t be more wrong. The police did search diligently. That’s why it took three years to arrest the killer, and four and a half to come to trial. Are all Mountain Men so paranoid? Does that come from years of dodging “Revenuers?” Did they get your still, Gojo? Is that why you have to protect yourself?
Say, Scout, IF Jason is declared not guilty,
would he be able to return to court and have
the judgment about the $15 million and about
his daughter reversed? Maybe we have a lawyer
reading here who can tell us.
–Gojo
Gojo, Jason had an opportunity to defend himself in both the civil trial and the custody case, but chose not to. There might be an opportunity to appeal, but he won’t get an automatic do-over.
However, as Jason is guilty as hell, this particular point is moot.
All your points are moot.
You are moot.
Repeat after me. “Gojo is moot. Jason is toast.”
The Trial Draws Near
Jury selection in the trial of Jason Young commences on May 31, 2011. It has been a long 4 1/2 years from Michelle’s death to this point. Many of us have exhausted ourselves on myriad message boards, defending her mother and sister against the accusations of Gojo and others who would throw anyone under the bus. Gojo viciously attacked anyone with the temerity to state an opinion that Jason was guilty of this crime, and yet he is about to be tried for it. People’s jobs have been threatened and, in some cases, actually been lost in Gojo’s quest to silence critics of his Golden Boy, Jason Lynn Young.
Since Jason’s arrest in December of 2009, poor old Gojo has been sadly missing from the boards he monitored day and night before that. Only occasional forays onto the internet and the lack of an obituary in the local Brevard newspaper have served to assure us that John Goins is still in the land of the living. One thing is for sure: even if the Rapture had happened on Saturday, John Goins would have been left behind with the rest of us non-believers. No true believer could publicly libel the mother and sister of a murder victim to the extent he did.
We were gratified to hear, last week, that one of the missing links in the chain of evidence connecting Jason Lynn Young to the murder of his pregnant wife has emerged and will be admitted at trial. A convenience store clerk along the road between Hillsville (where Jason said he was) and Raleigh (where he really was) remembered and identified Jason as the person who paid $20 for $15 worth of gas in the wee hours of the day Michelle was killed. He must have been under a lot of stress to cuss out the clerk because he had to go into the store to pay with cash, not to mention that he drove off without claiming his change. Why did he pay with cash, you may ask, when he had made all his other gas purchases with credit? Of course, the obvious answer is that he didn’t want anyone to know he bought more gas than he needed for one trip from Raleigh to Hillsville. Had to sneak that in there, as he actually made two trips.
So. Will Gojo emerge again once the trial starts, or has he finally come to believe that his friend just might be guilty after all?
Inquiring minds want to know.
2010 in review
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Gojo Defends his Minion
No, I’m thinking more that someone just like you killed Michelle. You did post that Jason ruined your life, didn’t you? It’s very possible someone Jason “wronged” decided to exact vengeance on his wife.
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Is this what brought about all the drama? Which part of
‘just like you’ do you not understand? Chill out, girl.
It’s people just like you who get boards shut down with
all the drama and anguish.
It’s people just like you who post dramatic best-forgotten
wails: “He ruined my life!” You want to explain it, do. If
you want to let it hang there for others to shoot at, do.
It’s people just like you who blindly insist that no one but
Jason murdered Michelle. People just like you pretend to
believe no other theory is believable.
People just like you should apologize for the histrionics and discuss the case intelligently.
Everyone on the board realizes what someone just like you is doing.
The moderator, a woman just like you, has more to do than to
dry your crocodile tears.
==Kingcole
That is all ye know on earth,
And all ye need to know.
“In the many unsolved cases we’ve profiled, a trend has caught our attention: victims’ families are often at odds with their case investigators.
How can this be? Investigators are heroes working countless hours to identify perpetrators, right?
Recently, we learned that one of our cherished investigators is facing harsh criticism for the handling of a case. Making matters worse, the blistering rebukes are coming from people we love, support and stay in contact with: the family members of the victim.”
Now, I interpret “one of OUR investigators” to mean one of the police investigating the Michelle Young case. However, Gojo (Kingcole) and other posters at InSessions choose to interpret the statement to refer to “Agent 050″ himself, and they also choose to believe that “Agent 050″ is one of the board posters who believes that Jason is guilty of this murder, to wit, RPD.
Perhaps “Agent 050″ could clarify this in a future entry…
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Originally Posted by june1943
Anybody seen NCW latest. Does wral know what kind of person they are dealing with? Wonder if he is getting paid for this foolishness?
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Thanks, June, for letting me see this. I admit I was surprised
to see the Secret Agent guy praising Gojo like that. I really had
the idea he was not one of Gojo’s buds. You reckon maybe Gojo
is actually a Super Secret Agent at NCW and that’s why Agent 050
admires him? Hard to know what to believe any more.
But this boardis not about Gojo or Agent 050. Any praise here
belongs to Michelle and the police who are working to find
the killers.
I don’t blame the Fishers for the ‘blistering rebukes’ aimed
at those who attempt to drive a wedge between the Fishers
and the Youngs. Those jerks need to be harshly rebuked
and silenced.
==Kingcole
TARO! Throw All the Rascals Out! Vote Libertarian/Write-in!
Brevardian Buffoonery
This afternoon, we found out that Linda Fisher did, indeed file a Wrongful Death suit against her son-in-law. Gojo says:
I reckon you’ll just have to wait for
my thoughts on this. If Linda is foolish enough
to pursue this suit, you will get to hear the truth
about this and other issues. In the meantime, you
can ask Linda about the matter. Should be interesting.
For once you are right! This will be interesting! All of y’all’s dirt you made up about Linda and Meredith exposed for the filth it is.
If Linda is foolish enough
to pursue this suit, you will hear some awkward
explanations….but not from Jason. I wouldn’t
be surprised to see a Perry Mason “got ya!” moment.
Should be interesting.
Why don’t you just bring it on, O Ignorant One?
when you hear someone say, “It’s not the money,”
then it is the money. But in this case, I believe Linda will be
disappointed and will regret letting the cops push her into this
foolishness.
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What makes you think the police had any hand in this? My guess would be that they would have steered her away from doing it, if they didn’t think he will be charged.
Did Gojo Give Away His Password?
Gojo Hits A NEW New Low
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4102252/
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“Though the cause of Evil prosper, yet ‘t is Truth alone is strong….”
–James Russell Lowell
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This looks innocuous, until you click on the link. It takes you to a news story about a guy who entered a woman’s office while she was out and masturbated, touching things, including candy and gum, with the same hand he used to …well…you know.
That makes Gojo’s offer of a piece of gum really gross.
Things must be getting tense in Brevard. Especially on Mockingbird Lane.
He got a three day suspension from the Friction Powered forum for that little bit of perversion.
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Meanwhile, over at InSessions, he has a new nickname, and is back, spewing innuendo about the victim:
The judge apparently believed the therapist’s notes were so relevant to Michelle’s murder that she was ordered to release them. Because info a patient discloses to their therapist is privileged, it is unusual for a judge to order its release. I think whatever Michelle related to Ms Sargent might be viewed as a motive for her murder.
If JY had transgender issues, Michelle might not have shared that info with anyone except the therapist.
IMO
Do you think it possible Michelle was the one with TG issues? Not saying she did. Is that something the judge would have ordered releashed as a possible motive?
Gojo Hits the Bourbon Again
Well, heck. Who/What are these people afraid of? Somebody named Campbell (doesn’t post here)….Somebody posting as B/S (pretending to be from Brevard)….Numerous girls. They say I am “some sort of friend of the Youngs” (whatever that means). They say I will hurt Jason in a “civil arena” (whatever that means). Then they threaten me with attorneys and prosecutors and the police….and a jury, for God’s sake. These people strongly suggest I should never post again because I have revealed so many intimate details about Jason and his family and how this is so hurtful to Jason’s case. Everything these people post is an attempt to hurt Jason and his family while everything I post I do so without considering whether or not the information is helpful or harmful to this innocent man because I am only concerned with the truthfulness of the information and not how someone else can twist or distort it. Twist away. Distort away. Well, heck. Who/What are these people afraid of? –Kingbuff
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Put down the bottle, Gojo, and back away from the computer.
Here’s the post he’s talking about:
I’ve read some of the post on IS from a “kingbuff”. It appears that that he is passing himself off as some sort of a friend of the Youngs. I wonder if they are truly aware of some of the things that he post online. I would not want a client of mine to have any connection to someone like “kingbuff”. His actions could hurt them in a civil arena.
“Kingbuff” make several strange claims. He claims on one hand that Jason can explain all the evidence that has been released to the public through search warrants and the like. However, for some strange reason he doesn’t choose to do so and would rather wait until the case proceeds to a trial. I know of no attorney that would ever allow their client to be arrested proceed to trial if they had evidence that would clear their name. Most likely, Jason’s attorney knows that he is guilty and he has told him not to talk under any circumstances.
“Kingbuff” also seems to be preoccupied with Jason being “grilled” by the police. Once again, he doesn’t know what he is talking about. In NC all interviews and interrogations of homicide suspects are now videotaped. In addition, Jason’s attorney would be present at any interview and could advise Jason on which questions to answer or not answer. However, if the attorney is aware of Jason’ s probable guilt, it would be better to keep silent all together.
All in all, “kingbuff” would serve his friend better by following his friends example. I’m sure that his history of postings and his connection to the Youngs has been recorded by the Fisher’s attorneys and by the prosecutors or the police. It will be interesting to see how a jury views some of the nasty things that he has had to say about the victim’s family.
I think the real question might be, “what is Gojo afraid of?”
Of course, we all know the answer to that, don’t we?
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lucy, I just love that story! awareness – I bet “the girls” are feasting on some fun food and talking about doing nails, hair, PJ party, and all kinds of girlie things. This is what she needs, with lots of memories of her sweet mother in the conversation. A night of home movies is in order somewhere down the line.
Yeah, you’ve got the idea. ….and Meredith can talk about Sleeping Beauty who fell on the floor….and Linda can teach her imitation heartbroken moans….and they can teach Cassidy how to cry…. .
…and maybe they can take a field trip to the cemetery…. Yeah, sure sounds like lots of fun. Just what a child needs. –Gojo
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For a man who has frequently crossed the boundaries of good taste, this is a new low.
What does Jason talk to her about? And you…what do you talk to her about? Fishing?
Do you think that forgetting her mother is the way to go? How could even you be that dense?
You think her father should be the one to tell her about her mother?
What does he know? No…really. What does he know? She was his main squeeze. She got pregnant. He married her. I wonder if he really listened when she told him about herself. Did her stories go in one ear and out the other? Does he know when she had the chicken pox? The name of her first date? What her senior prom dress looked like? How it feels to wear a bikini? What’s the best conditioner for her kind of hair?
Jason knows nothing about Michelle, except that he regretted having to get married. She was an obstacle. He came to hate her.
Gojo, I really can’t convince myself that Jason is the best person to be telling Cassidy about Michelle. Your overt hostility, whether directed at Meredith and Linda, or at people offering their opinions on a message board, should be harnessed in the name of Justice instead of defending the indefensible.
Equating a child’s visit to her mother’s grave to a “field trip,” is insufferable. Your sarcasm on this topic is revolting.
Of course, you are revolting. Period.
Woh. How Did I Miss This?
“And yet, there are some things I regret….a little. Like when I learned the cops had talked to the workers at the day care. You see, for the past year or so I have managed to pass along some false information to your spy there….or is that secret agent 052? I did it just to fool around with you and Linda.…did Linda ever get the ‘documents’ she asked for?
I regret it…a little….because it’s possible agent 052 gave some of my foolishness to the cops and they might think it is solid insider information. So I’ll confess to you and you can tell your cop buds whatever you want to tell them.
I certainly don’t want to mislead the detectives investigating the case. The stuff I made up was not meant for them so I am not guilty of interfering with them. I reckon I am guilty of interfering somewhat with you and Linda. But….that I don’t regret.
And by the way, your agent is safe from me. At first we were all angry that she was giving out private information. But then we cooled down and figured she wasn’t doing any harm. We have no grudge against her and certainly don’t want her fired for her indiscretions. “
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Gojo has a very paranoid personality. Imagine thinking that a poster on a message board has “spies” and “agents” in a day care! Please!
There are several reasons that people gather on crime message boards to discuss cases. Some are armchair sleuths and like to try to determine the outcome of the case. These people have no emotional stake in any one case, and usually prefer cases that are quickly solved. Some are touched by the circumstances surrounding a particular case. This case has attracted quite a few of those, including myself. The beautiful young mother, so badly beaten, and her child, prattling on the 911 tape about washcloths and booboos, was enough to melt hearts tougher than mine. Some people only follow certain types of cases, such as serial killings, or child murders, or spousal murders. I fall into this category, too, as I have followed several child murders and spousal murders.
We puzzle, we analyze, we try to think of ways to prevent such crimes from occurring over and over and over again.
Enter Gojo, who has a whole different agenda. He is acquainted with the prime suspect (now civilly declared SLAYER), Michelle’s husband, Jason. So his focus is, naturally, to defend his acquaintance.
Some of us felt sorry for Gojo, in the beginning. It can’t be easy to hear of one’s friend accused of killing his wife.
But, with every new search warrant and its extremely informative Probable Cause, more circumstantial evidence has stacked up against the SLAYER. Gojo has spent hours poring over this, trying to twist and spin the truth into lies.
Here, in the post quoted above, he admits that he thinks another poster in this case has a “spy” or “agent” planted in Cassidy’s day care. I am not actually willing to believe that. Still, for sake of argument, I will accept the statement for now.
“I did it just to fool around with you and Linda.”
The “you” in this sentence refers to the object of Gojo’s paranoia, an active poster in several forums discussing this case. The poster in question firmly believes Jason killed Michelle and the couple’s unborn child. Fooling around with a poster in a forum is reprehensible enough, but most of us can take care of ourselves. Fooling around with the mother of a murder victim, and grandmother of a child to whom she is being denied access is, however, despicable. I sure hope my children’s teachers have functional moral compasses. This retired teacher obviously does not.
“I reckon I am guilty of interfering somewhat with you and Linda. But….that I don’t regret.”
The man thinks that messing with the emotions and mental state of a grieving mother is just hunky-dory. He doesn’t regret it. He sounds sort of proud of it, doesn’t he?
“We have no grudge against her and certainly don’t want her fired for her indiscretions.”
He’s talking here about the supposed “spy.” So, maybe he doesn’t really believe she was introduced into the daycare by the object of Gojo’s paranoia. Maybe she is a regular employee. He doesn’t want her fired. How nice of him. We do know that he has managed to get one or two people fired from their jobs for spreading the word that Jason killed Michelle.
I wonder if he is using the royal “we,” or if he is listening to the voices in his head.
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Less than 24 hours later:
What information? I don’t know squat. Ask anyone.
I reckon it was someone else who lied to Linda. I hardly know the woman. If I arranged to pass on false information about Jason’s private life to a secret agent, that doesn’t mean I lied to Linda. The agent didn’t have to tell Linda anything.
But lie on the boards? Not I.
–Gojo
Debate Tactics
In college debate we called this false cause-and-effect reasoning. Effect: He signed a consent agreement? Cause: A search warrant about medicine??? See how ridiculous that is? By the way, the medical SW was executed July 2007. The consent agreement was signed February 2009. Does anyone still see a connection? And then we see the either/or trick some posters have protested when it was tried by others. We pretend a fact has been established (Jason overmedicated his daughter). Then we compound the trick by giving only two choices unrelated to each other (he did it the night of the murder or he did it behind Michelle’s back) with no proof he did either and without giving other options. We then pretend to engage the readers by asking an obvious question. If in July 2007 the police thought Cassie was in danger, would they wait until Feb. ’09 to urge the Fishers to remove her from the danger? No. The police would have acted immediately to bring in child protection services. This makes it seem we have no confidence in the police. This post also seems to underestimate the intelligence of the posters on this board. We think others don’t see through our weak arguments? I think it obvious I am not the brightest light on the board, so when even I can point out logic failures, I imagine others just laugh and move on.
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Once again, Gojo states the obvious. He obviously feels the need to be obvious about it.
Gojo, I thought you retired. When you start digging through the boxes in the garage for old lesson plans…I gotta tell you…you need a hobby.
You are always telling us that you like to fish. Is that enough? Is it still too cold to go?
I have an idea. You could write a book: “My Wasted Bytes, Or How To Defend the Indefensible”
This is just another smokescreen.
The bottom line on the medicines is that Jason told Pat that he had given Cassidy adult medicines, which he claimed to have diluted with water. Sounds to me, from the wording in the warrant, that even Pat may not have been too sure on that one. It is stated in the warrant that the subject was discussed with Pat.
It’s time to pull the plug.
Gojo’s Traveling Medicine Show
You know this medicine topic is not going anywhere. Too much we don’t know and the cops don’t know or won’t reveal.
Who gave the child medicine? Which medicine? When?
Whose fingerprints on the bottle and dropper (other than the cops who handled it)? Any stranger prints on the bottles? Meredith’s prints?
The cops said Michelle’s DNA is not on the dropper. Why didn’t they include/exclude Jason? How about Meredith?
When and under what circumstance did Jason mention to his mom about diluting medicine? And the list goes on…..
Couldn’t reach Jason this weekend to ask how he and Michelle cared for Cassie when she was sick. Maybe I’ll write him a letter. I do know this was a man who has had extensive training in medicines and their use. I’m not qualified to second-guess Michelle and him. I’m amazed that others on the board do feel qualified to second-guess a man whose background includes supplying medicines to doctors.
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My best guess would be that, if the police have Cassidy’s DNA off the dropper, they also know what was in it.
Police wear gloves when examining a crime scene, Gojo. Don’t you watch CSI? My guess is that whoever gave Cassidy the adult medicine left prints on the dropper. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Hawking pharmaceuticals, no matter how much on-the-job training one gets, does not qualify a salesman to prescribe medication.
No matter how you spin it, Jason told his mother, who told police, that he gave Cassidy adult medications, which he claimed to have diluted. That, Gojo (the muddled and mendacious), is straight from the horse’s (or ass’s) mouth.
Don’t you ever get dizzy?
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And why was Spivey testifying for this woman anyway? Seems to me a chief investigator would seek to kept himself ‘neutral’ or at least ‘objective’ toward someone he claims is a primary suspect. But maybe that only applies to the professionals.
“My assignments and experiences have included the criminal investigation of property crimes, crimes of violence against persons, fraud cases, drug investigations, child abuse cases, and covert and electronic surveillance operations. During the past 17 years as a law enforcement officer, I have received and continue to receive, specialized training through schools, law enforcement agencies (Federal, state and local), and seminars. This has included specialized training in criminal investigations, interview and interrogation, statement analysis, search warrants, criminal and psychological profiling, criminal investigative analysis, crime scene analysis, crime scene searches, analytical investigative techniques, conspiracy investigations and criminal intelligence. I currently hold an Advanced Law Enforcement Certificate awarded by the North Carolina Criminal Justice Training and Standards Commission, have completed a Criminal Investigation Certificate Program through the North Carolina Justice Academy, and I am currently a North Carolina State Certified Criminal Justice Instructor.”
Per Search Warrant Probable Cause:
You should be slapped.
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Doesn’t Meredith have Cassidy at home again starting tomorrow? (Oh happy days!)
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don’t you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon….. Happy Daze indeed! And don’t even go there about whose fault it is. I’m not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
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Your meanness is showing again, Gojo.
You have no idea how to raise that child. Your ideas seem to have been developed in Old Testament times! How many times do people have to tell you: Cassidy had a Mommy. Cassidy had a very good Mommy. Then, in one fell swoop, Cassidy lost her Mommy, her home, her Auntie Meredith and her Granny Linda. Didn’t see them. Didn’t get to talk to them on the phone. Didn’t receive their presents.
And this was good for her…how…exactly?
Meredith is not vindictive like Cassidy’s Brevard family. She agreed to visitation with Granny Pat and Daddy. And, if Granny Pat and Daddy were so concerned about this future for Cassidy where were they on Court Day? Why weren’t they there to save her from this fate worse than death?
…And you don’t want to talk about whose fault it is? How about Daddy’s fault for
1) killing Mommy
2) taking her away from her home
3) keeping her away from Aunt Meredith and Granny Linda
4) returning their gifts, unopened
5) not showing up to convince the judge that she should stay with him.
I am truly weighing your arguments here. Let’s see…
Schedule…Time with loving family…Schedule…Time with loving family…
Sorry, Gojo. Option (B) works for me.
Gojo, you are not a fly on the wall at Meredith’s house, or at Linda’s family reunion; you are a pig, just like your purple-peckered popinjay.
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My God! It’s Contagious!
TO JUNE’S FAMILY, PLEASE IGNORE THE WICKED SICK PEOPLE WHO POST UNDER AN ANONYMOUS NAME ON THIS BOARD.THEY HAVE TO BE FILLED WITH DEMONS THAT POSSESS THEIR SOUL AND GOD HELP THEM WHEN THEY DIE. PRAY THEY PROCLAIM!!!!!GOD WOULD TURN A DEAF EAR TO EVERYONE OF THEM,ONLY THE DEVIL WOULD HEAR THEIR WORDS AND LAUGH WITH GLEE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE THE MOST MISERABLE PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THIS WORLD AND ARE WASTING PRECIOUS OXYGEN. THEY ARE SLIM.. YOU HAVE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUND EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE NO ONE WITH ANY KINDNESS WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THE DEVIL IS VERY PROUD OF HIS CHILDREN WHO POST HERE.
YOUR MOTHER ONLY BELIEVED IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM AND DEFENDING ANYONE OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. SHE IS BRIGHT AND HER POST WERE ALWAYS RESPECTED BY ALL, WHO KNOW HOW TO FEEL FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
MY PRAYER ARE WITH HER. DON’T GIVE UP ON HER. TELL HER COUGERMOM SENDS HER PRAYERS AND LOVE…COUGERMOM
RPD,HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO TRACE MY ISP,I AM SURE SCOTT WILL HAND IT TO YOU WITH A SMILE ON HER FACE.
JASON YOUNG WILL NOT BE ARRESTED FOR THE MURDER OF HIS WIFE,YOU AND YOUR BUDDY SPIVEY ARE LOSER’S……
THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO DISCUSS FOR A FEW DAYS, YOU NEEDED THIS GIFT I JUST HANDED YOU. LOL
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This person has caught the madness from Gojo!
I’m not normally in the habit of picking apart the grammar and spelling of message board posters. We all type as fast as we can, and hit “send” in a hurry in order to keep the discussion going. However, in the case of this post, the CAPS, the grammar and the general illiteracy appear to speak volumes about the character of the poster.
In case you missed the original at (Friction Powered Exchange), consider this a link to it.
The post was written after some mild disbelief was expressed. The post that started it all stated that one of the “Jason Is Innocent” idiots at InSessions was “in a coma state.” As that idiot, or somebody who is a clone of her, is still posting at InSessions, the reports that she is in a “coma state” seem greatly exaggerated.
Somebody just had to yell. Somebody is an even bigger idiot than was thought.
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THE WICKED SICK PEOPLE WHO POST UNDER AN ANONYMOUS NAME
Really? How many “wicked sick people” can post under one “anonymous name?” I’m fairly certain you know at least a couple of answers to that!
THEY HAVE TO BE FILLED WITH DEMONS THAT POSSESS THEIR SOUL AND GOD HELP THEM WHEN THEY DIE.
So. They possess only one soul among them. OoooKaayyy? And you want God to help them when they die. I hate to tell you this, but that makes no sense. None.
After further imprecations about demons etc., the author adds this little gem:
THEY ARE SLIM..
OK. I’ll bite. Why is this little compliment thrown in here? The poster has no way of knowing the fat content of those who think Jason Guilty and Reborn June, an idiot. This, also, makes no sense.
YOU HAVE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUND EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE NO ONE WITH ANY KINDNESS WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM.
No, you frigging moron! Scout has attracted some very intelligent people that your ilk has succeeded in getting removed from InSessions, because you and your ilk can’t stand to hear the voice of reason. And, by the way, you can hardly characterize the systematic trashing of the victim’s family as the product of kindness.
YOUR MOTHER ONLY BELIEVED IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM AND DEFENDING ANYONE OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
The phrase “anyone of” in this sentence, is incorrect. “Defending anyone’s Constitutional Rights” might make the sentence easier to understand. People can be DEPRIVED of their Constitutional Rights, but June’s schtick is IUPG. “Innocent Until Proven Guilty.” As the warrants and investigation all point to Jason Young, the husband of one victim and father of the other, Reborn June has to find somebody else to accuse, to sort of even the score. Who is keeping score is unclear, but June has to by God do her bit to make sure the guilty party is not deprived of his God-given right to be considered innocent until a court proves him guilty. Never mind that, that logic, taken far enough, would preclude anyone ever being investigated for anything…if, for instance, the police had to abide by it.
The writer continues to have issues with subject/verb agreement, as seen here:
HER POST WERE ALWAYS RESPECTED BY ALL, WHO KNOW HOW TO FEEL FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
MY PRAYER ARE WITH HER.
Then, we move on to paranoia:
RPD,HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO TRACE MY ISP,I AM SURE SCOTT WILL HAND IT TO YOU WITH A SMILE ON HER FACE.
Here’s the thing, “Cougermom.” Your ISP is your Internet Service Provider. The company to which you pay money to connect you to the internet. Road Runner, for instance, or Comcast, or BellSouth…you get the picture. As each of these companies connects thousands, possibly millions, of people to the internet, having this bit of information is not very valuable in tracking a particular user. Am I correct in thinking that is the source of your concern? In that case, you really mean that you are challenging RPD to trace your IP, or Internet Protocol. That is the set of four numbers, separated by dots, that identifies your computer, or modem. Unless, of course, you use wireless internet, or AOL. In that case, your IP changes every time you long onto your computer. If being identified worries you, you might look into that.
I am still trying to figure out who “SCOTT” is, and why he should have a smile on “her” face. You do realize that “Scott” is a man’s name, right?
JASON YOUNG WILL NOT BE ARRESTED FOR THE MURDER OF HIS WIFE,YOU AND YOUR BUDDY SPIVEY ARE LOSER’S……
Clairvoyance is not one of your strong suits, is it? By the way, the apostrophe (‘) indicates a possessive. If you are trying to indicate a plural, just add an “s” to the singular word, and skip the apostrophe (‘).
THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO DISCUSS FOR A FEW DAYS, YOU NEEDED THIS GIFT I JUST HANDED YOU. LOL
You have joined two separate clauses with a comma. That would have given my English teachers a bad case of the blue pencil shudders. You COULD use a semi-colon (;), or just make it into two sentences.
And, while I think you exaggerate your interest factor at Friction Powered, you have given me a few moments of amusement.
LOL.
NCWanted Draws Gojo Back to the Fray
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What Jason said: “You came HERE for that?!”
Unsaid: Here? To a basketball game? Here? When
I’m hot, sweaty, and trying to fill my water bottle? Here?
You want to talk to me about the tragic death of my wife
and unborn son? Do the village elders of Raleigh know
they have lost their IDIOT????
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Gojo shows us his elegant journalistic bipartisan objectivity in this little post. Plainly heard on the NCWanted video is Jason saying, “You came here for that?”
Yet, Gojo deliberately tries to convince us that we cannot believe our own ears, and that the emphasis was REALLY on the word “here.”
Oh…and then he posts that he can read Jason’s mind!
(Yes, ladies and germs, Gojo the Great will put on his Karnack turban and tell us what Jason was thinking!)
Frankly, if there was anything going through Jason’s mind, other than “Oh, SHIT,” I will be very surprised!
But wait…there’s more!
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What the gym supervisor said: “You men ought to leave.”
Unsaid: I’m the only protection you have here tonight.
I’m going to lock these doors for five minutes. That will
give you Raleigh idiots time to hit the road. Some of
the guys want to have a piece of you. This is a
public facility so you idiots do what you want.
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If that little weasel is the only protection anyone has, I feel sorry for the protectee! We hear that the only person sticking up for Jason (was he the one who threw the ball at the camera man?) is a new guy…I wonder who was really looking for a piece of whom.
Jason ran to complain…and got the doors to a public place locked for him. That is so wrong! Nobody on that crew had weapons. they were doing nothing but asking questions and running a video camera.
Still, Jason could have said, “No comment,” and no harm would have been done. Instead, when the name of his deceased wife was mentioned, along with her murder, he said, “You came here for that?” No wonder his high-class law firm told him to keep his mouth shut! Anything that comes out of it says “GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!”
“…for THAT?”
So insignificant. So…two years ago. So…”Geez! Move ON, already! She’s dead. I’ve moved on…why can’t you?”
Get with the program, Gojo. Jason has no “Picture,” like Dorian Gray had. His sin, his crime, his depravity, is writ large all over his face.
Bless His Heart!
The old coot is back! New nickname–”clueme,” and a feeble attempt to disguise his style, but for a retired teacher of English and Journalism, he doesn’t do that very well. A part, no doubt, of the dumbing down of America. Here’s a quote from InSessions:
You think there could be something not related directly to the murder ? I mean, like, maybe there is something else he won,t or can’t talk about and Linda and Meredith are taking advantage of what ever that might be to get what they want? They must be really desperate to take a daughter away from her father, what’s that about anyway ?
“Something not related to the murder.” Something Jason can’t or won’t talk about, that he would be required to answer in a suit for shared custody of his daughter. It would have to be something pretty bad, wouldn’t it? I see nothing in the court documents pertaining to the Custody of Michelle’s daughter that would have been a problem…except the pesky matter of that Psychological Evaluation (cost to be borne by Jason). Was that what he was trying to avoid?
Get used to it, Gojo…Jason VOLUNTARILY gave up primary custody of his daughter to the people he had been working very hard to keep away from her. I think that, had he allowed the Fishers reasonable access to Michelle’s daughter, it would not have come to a custody suit. But, he couldn’t do that, could he, Gojo? No telling what she would have told them…Jason was desperate to keep her away from them…but, with the suit, he was desperate to avoid that psych eval, or to avoid answering questions. Desperate enough to agree to allowing Meredith Fisher to be his daughter’s primary custodial guardian. Pretty damn desperate, if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by tiny paw-prints
Well, since I believe Jason murdered his wife and unborn son, I wonder what his point of desperation was? Financial gain? Premeditated?Murdering not one human being, but two? Seems like such an awful and “desperate” thing to do—wouldn’t you agree?
Gojo (excuse me–clueme) says:
I agree, seems desperate to me, no matter who did it. Ive also read stories about women with biological clocks ticking who do desperate things. Do you agree?
So the old reprobate is again trying to imply that Meredith murdered her sister. Not so anyone can come back and accuse him of accusing her…but it’s there. You know it and I know it. Getting his point across without actually saying it is something that Gojo is good at. Very passive-aggressive is our Gojo.
Here’s another lovely quote:
I cannot imagine myself desperate enough to rip a child away from her father, maybe you can. I think the father did not ‘willingly’ give up custody. He could not imagine someone desperate enough to use our legal system to do it. I cannot imagine a legal system that would allow it, but it does exist. And some desperate people will use it. Can you admire such a desperate person?
Once again, Gojo is reading Jason’s mind. Jason has shown himself surprisingly apt in his own use of the justice system, having acquired a lawyer very early on in the murder investigation; a lawyer from a reputedly high-powered firm. Subsequent to that event, Jason has not opened his mouth to defend himself or assist with the police inquiries. He has required a court order to give DNA samples and fingerprints and such, delaying that process as long as he legally could, in order to allow healing of any little scratches or contusions he might have had. The man is not naive about the legal system.
Another quote:
Whether or not anyone in the family is guilty, the inlaws did rip that little girl away from her father. Without any feelings for the little girl. This reeks of desperation and I don’t know how the inlaws can sleep at night. Maybe they don’t sleep well. You think the inlaws were also after the money? If so may the money rot their souls.
Au contraire, mon frere, Jason ripped Michelle’s little girl away from everything familiar to her and whisked her off to a place she had only visited in the past. Never mind that he ripped her mother out of her life, and left her with her Mommy’s beaten body. I am not entirely sure what money Gojo refers to, here. If it’s the insurance, I’m pretty sure the Fishers have said that it’s for Michelle’s daughter. I’m sure there is a Social Security stipend available for the little girl’s care. Perhaps he refers to that. To say that the Fishers have no feelings for that little girl is projection, pure and simple.
More:
He did what he had to do. The inlaws did not. They did what they wanted to do. So yes. I can admire a person who does what he has to do. I have nothing but disgust toward anyone who deliberately harm’s a child. Do you deny the child has been harmed by the inlaws? I think you are smart enough to see that the inlaws did it on purpose. They werent concerned with the innocent bystander.
I deny that Michelle’s daughter has been harmed by her Aunt Meredith and Grandmother Fisher. I’d like to know what grounds Gojo has for such an accusation. Of course they went after custody “on purpose.” Just how would one do that accidentally? What a silly thing to say! They did it because they were concerned for the welfare of their niece and granddaughter. they had to sneak around behind her father’s back to even get to see her! Any loving relative would be concerned, and to say they weren’t is ridiculous.
Maybe when the girl is old enough to realize what was done to her and why. She will tell te inlaws to keep the money. That would show character.
Part of the custody agreement was that both parties would make reasonable efforts to keep the media from harassing Michelle’s child, which is probably why Gojo refers to her here as “the girl,” but it still sounds cold, coming from him. However, he has kind of hoist himself on his own petard. If “She will tell te inlaws to keep the money,” it would have to be because she had an understanding that it was hers to dispose of at will. That rather nullifies Gojo’s insinuation that the Fishers sued for primary custody of the little girl in order to get their hands on Michelle’s life insurance and SSI benefits, doesn’t it?
So, once again, Gojo is flapping his typing fingers to no purpose, except to stir up the little cadre of insane “Jason Is Innocent And Meredith Is Guilty” diehards on the InSessions message board.
Blast From the Past
Thanks to Friction Powered, a forum devoted to this case, I ran across some vintage Gojo from October of 2007. What a joy that was! At the time, I think he had already been banned from WebSleuths. He was posting at the Friction Powered blog, Bonnie’s Blog of Crime, CyberSleuths, Refugees Unleashed, and various other blogs and fora. Pretty much everywhere the case was mentioned, Gojo showed up to muddy the discussion.
An example:
Why won’t Jason submit to a grilling? I’ve never asked him, he’s never said, but I have a guess. Same answer, I reckon: he trusts his lawyer. Plus, the cops blew it. They insulted him right off by accusing him of killing his wife
People don’t seem to realize how mountain folk react to a deadly insult. If we can’t fight you, we avoid you until our turn comes. And it will. We’re storing ammunition for that day.
HOWEVER, I think if Jason knew something that would help the cops, he would get the information to them. He wouldn’t deliberately let the killer walk. JMO, of course.
Gojo often refers to what most of us see as a police interview as a “grilling.” Why? Is he simply enamored of old detective fiction lingo? Or is it merely in aid of his persona as an independent “mountain man,” suspicious of any and all authority? He tells us that Jason was “insulted” by police. The insult must have been delivered pretty fast, as he only had the one conversation with police on the phone. He hung up. I guess, because he was insulted. And, of course, because he was accused of killing his wife, it was a “deadly insult.” Never mind that the police said it was the most gruesome crime scene they had ever seen. Never mind that the spouse is ALWAYS the first suspect. Jason is “special,” and should always be treated with kid gloves.
Of course, we have only Gojo’s word that the incident happened that way, and we all know exactly how much that is worth, don’t we?
I especially love this:
People don’t seem to realize how mountain folk react to a deadly insult. If we can’t fight you, we avoid you until our turn comes. And it will. We’re storing ammunition for that day.
I have seen the fine town of Brevard, NC. In this day and age, we are not talking about a scattered collection of shacks clinging precariously to the mountainside. This is a normal small college town, with paved streets, chain stores and restaurants, hotels and kitschy tourist shops. Gojo’s “mountain folk” and their attitudes haven’t existed for a couple of generations.
He’s pulling your legs, people! Yanking your chains.
The Pig is in the Pen!
So. After three years of investigating, reinvestigating, and just waiting, Jason has finally been hauled in. I’m sure you can find all the links to all the news at Friction Powered and InSessions and WebSleuths.
The Editorial We feel a great sense of relief. It has, after all, been obvious to us for years…almost from Day One, that this poor excuse for a man murdered his beautiful wife because he wasn’t having as much fun being married as he hoped he would. I mean, really! She kept wanting a family…and wanting him to pull his weight…and not screw around…and keep his clothes on at parties…and keep his trout in his trousers…and take part in the care and feeding of Cassidy…and keep his hands of her sorority sisters…what a PAIN!
Gojo has weighed in–anonymously, this time.
Ain’t gonna be no trial.
When the cops do finally manage to arrest the killers,
they will confess to escape the needle.The arrest today is just number 22 and counting of the
ignorant mistakes the cops, the DA, and the medical examiner
stumbled through in the last 3 years. It is also the most egregious…
and most damaging to a 5-year-old.
Posted by “Guest,” but we recognize the mantra, don’t we?
“Ain’t gonna be no trial.”
If there is a merciful God, Jason will plea bargain to avoid the DP, so this oft-typed sentiment could possibly come true. Gojo is still holding out for plural killers, though. I know he wants us to think that somebody else besides Jason…an owl, maybe…is the actual killer, but we know wishful thinking when we see it.
“The arrest today is just number 22 and counting of the
ignorant mistakes the cops, the DA, and the medical examiner
stumbled through in the last 3 years.”
Cops, DAs and MEs are human, and not perfect. An investigation in which no mistakes were made probably does not exist. I know Gojo is referring (among other errors) to the tooth left behind at the scene, the lack of a rape kit, etc, etc. He would like the fact that the investigation focused on the ACCUSED and CHARGED and ARRESTED killer to be grounds for a dismissal. Sorry, Gojo…the fact that Jason killed his wife was as obvious to the police as it was to those of us following the case on the Boards. By the way…I don’t think you can scream “Rush to judgment,” after three years of painstaking investigation.
“It is also the most egregious…
and most damaging to a 5-year-old.”
Funny…you weren’t too worried about damage to a 5-year-old when you and your cohorts were saying that Jason would remarry and get Cassidy a “new mommy!” What about the damage incurred when the child’s so-called “loving” father killed her genuinely loving mother and left her to try and fix Mommy’s boo-boos with washcloths and band-aids? That’s when the damage began…to be continued when he whisked her away from her nearest and dearest and plunked her down in Aunt Heather’s spare room…and then shunted her to Grandma’s guest room–all the while forbidding her from seeing her mother’s family, and returning their gifts and generally trying to convince her that they didn’t exist or didn’t care about her.
Don’t EVEN TRY to play the “damage” card!
So, Gojo: CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
Gojo Feebly Attacks
At InSessions:
gojo
Registered UserJoin Date: Dec 2009
Location: brevard
Posts: 3
Still all this talk about Meredith. Why don’t we clear that girl
and quit talking about her? Those who know….where was Meredith
the night Michelle was killed? What time did she arrive at the house?
Who was with her? One poster gave us his opinion that
Meredith was cleared by the cops. Maybe he will come by and let us know how he knows this and we can all stop talking about her.Well, I reckon we all would like to know how she’s doing as a mother….
her schedule with Cassie….if she’s still working….how she feels about
being a full-time mom….things like that. Of course, I reckon this info
is not exactly pertinent to the case, but still of interest.–Gojo
Again, the old man claws his way out of the Slough of Despond and clutches at the same old straw.
Not only is it not pertinent to the case, Gojo…it’s none of your damned business! I’m going to stick my neck out here and say that, as a mother surrogate, Meredith is doing a lot better than Jason ever did as a father. Remember when he texted or emailed Michelle that, at 2 1/2, Cass had “pissed herself all over the floor?” Nice, nurturing parenting going on there! Yup. Oh…and when he went on to say that he was taking Cass and some beer to the pool…Jason Young. Father of the Year. Not. I’m also willing to bet that Meredith is not dangling Cass’s picture on Craigslist.
It’s none of your business if Meredith is working, and where, or if she’s the Room Mom at Cass’s school! Why would you be interested in her schedule? Stalk much?
…Or are you wanting to know if she’s dipping into the life insurance…? I repeat: none of your damned business, Old Man!
Now. The police have Jason’s phone records, and Meredith’s. They know precisely when she got the call from the ARRESTED SLAYER. They know when the 911 call was made. And, if there was any question of Meredith’s whereabouts on the night Michelle was killed, I’m sure she would be wearing orange, and Donnie would be shaking Jason’s hand at her court appearance! In fact, if there were any question about Meredith AT ALL in the minds of the investigators, a lot of things would be different.
So I got news, Gojo: Meredith HAS been cleared by those who count, and we CAN quit talking about her.
Try to keep up.
Gojo Waxes Loquacious
First of all, in my opinion, there ain’t gonna be no trial. But suppose there were a trial. LE would be the one on trial, not Jason. Sounds a little like the OJ trial of past years.
All this talk about Jason not cooperating…..LE is responsible for that, not Jason. In his public statements the sheriff convinces naive posters on the boards that Jason is not cooperating with the investigation. Never does he admit his incompetent investigations are at fault. In my opinion, of course.
–Gojo
Last I heard, each individual is in charge of his own mouth. And, when this trial starts, “Jason Lynn Young” will be the name on the docket.
In my opinion, the police knew by 2 pm where Jason was and where he was going. Why didn’t they call the Transylvania cops and ask them to detain Jason, inform him of the bad news, all before he got home?
If the spouse is the first one suspected, why not ask the Trans. cops to detain Jason until Wake County cops could show up and talk to him and give him a trip to Raleigh? This was their chance to be friends with Jason, to encourage him to talk to them. No calls from Raleigh friends, no advice to lawyer up, a chance to search and examine his car.
In my opinion, an initial major mistake by the Wake County cops. If Jason had clammed up immediately, that would have been suspicious, in my opinion.
–Gojo
Even Transylvania cops need some sort of evidence of criminal activity on the part of someone they want to detain. On what grounds would WCSO have requested that? I do think it would have been a good thing for the Transylvania police to have been there when Jason was told, though. How friendly do you think he would be if detained by local police while awaiting WCSO? You can’t just detain people without probable cause…
…Or were you just thinking that WCSO should be running a taxi service?
Originally Posted by Tia
You also said that Jason would not be arrested, that Meredith would not get custody, etc…..
Who said Jason would not be arrested?
Not I. I also never said anything about
Meredith and custody. I reckon maybe
I said the ‘etc’ stuff, whatever that is,
but it was just my opinion, not gospel.
–Gojo
Hard to remember who said what, and using what nickname, any more. Especially as a lot of that has been lost. I’m pretty sure that if Gojo didn’t say that, then Jake did, or one of Gojo’s other nicknames.
Quote:
Originally Posted by achristieLE will be on trial? Are you joking? So Jason cooperated? When? Sounds like the OJ trial? In what way? Are you suggesting we have a Mark Furman in our midst? Ah, wishful thinking on your part, Mr. Go**s. Keep dreaming.
MOO AggieBy the way, Achristie, did Jason hang up on the cops
during his trip to Raleigh? No cooperation?
In my opinion, evidence will show he did not,
despite the sworn testimony
in the search warrant. Also in my opinion,
other sworn statements in search warrants
are not true. Nope, I reckon that is all I will say about that.
The cops know what it means.
Cops lied while presenting Probable Cause for a Search Warrant? Gee, Goje, old boy…shouldn’t you be all about getting the case thrown out of court because of illegally acquired search warrants?
Originally Posted by Jester
Since you were not there, you can only be taking the word of an accused murderer. Is that wise?
You came here for that?Wise? In my opinion, you should review the information
that Jason has not talked to anyone about Michelle’s death.
That includes me.–Gojo
So, all this crap is cut from whole cloth, eh, Gojo? Just making it up as you go along?
You need another example of noncooperation ineptitude?In my opinion, Jason volunteered for the nontestimonial exam.
Yet the cops issued a warrant demanding it.
In my opinion, I reckon that was rather inept, don’t you think?
In the warrant, even before Michelle’s funeral,
the cops accused Jason of murdering Michelle.Is that going to encourage Jason to talk with the cops?
I reckon not. It seems everything the cops did,
including all the subsequent search warrants,
would make Jason think the cops were out to get him
and would guarantee he would not talk to them.
Just my opinion, of course.–Gojo
Ummm…the date he was supposed to show up, as required in the NTO had passed by the time he got there. You can forget that bit of fantasy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by achristie
I agree, I think the cops were out to arrest him. He murdered his wife.
MOO Aggie
I agree with your first opinion:
the cops were out to arrest him.
You second opinion I do not agree with.
I think the cops have deceived many people,
on purpose. The cops have told several people,
“Jason is not who you think he is.”
Some of us know better. The cops don’t
deceive us. Just my opinion, of course.
No, Mr. Gojo-man. The cops don’t deceive you. You deceive yourself.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerry50
My thoughts exactly, Aggie. For anyone to criticize LE isn’t looking at the whole picture. Just because they are cops does not make them immune to the horrors of crime scene, especially one where a pregnant Mother in the prime of her life is beaten to death with her teeth scattered around the room where her young daughter was walking. Their job is to find the killer. When JY didn’t rush home immediately, didn’t ask how his daughter was to hear for himself that she was OK, and did not offer any help.
Think about yourself in his place. You had just seen someone 14 hours before and she was full of life and had no problems. You go to sleep, drive to your Mother’s and she tells you that the person you had seen last night was not only dead but had been murdered. How many of you would have essentially said, “Oh, OK. Let’s wait until everyone gets here and then we can start for home”?
Would you believe them? How could this happen? Wouldn’t a normal human response be to get back in the car and get home to see for yourself?
Are you an emotional girl, Jerry? Something
tells me you are not. Would you ask the cops
about your daughter when you had just talked to her
and her aunt on the phone? Would you be so lacking
in emotion that you could jump into your car and travel
five hours to Raleigh by yourself? I reckon you would.
Others are not made that way, in my opinion.
What I have learned through a lifetime working with kids
is that their immaturity handicaps them. Not until they
are older do they come to realize that not everyone
thinks nor reacts the way they do. Just my opinion, of course.
–Gojo
What you should have learned in a lifetime of working with kids is that they are not the same after they become adults.
How do you know that Jason talked with Meredith and Cassidy on the phone? And, even if he did, why would he not ask the police how they both were, just to get their perspective?
Yes, I would jump in my car. I would say, “I’m going. If you want to come with me, get in the car. NOW!” Does that show my lack of Suthun Sensibilities? In the circumstances, I wouldn’t care. As Scarlett O’Hara put aside the dictates of her outdated social clique while she ensured the survival of her family by running her husband’s lumber business, so would I do everything I could to find out what happened to my murdered spouse.
Originally Posted by Jester
Things could have gone either way for Jason. He has had three long years to answer a few simple questions … like what he did on the night of the murder. He chose not to answer questions. I would hope that an innocent man would do everything he could to clear his good name and pursue justice for his murdered wife. Sadly, Jason did not do that.
Well, Jester, I reckon I don’t know what questions
Jason has answered, if any. I doubt that you do.
It’s been my experience that speaking to the cops
will not clear an innocent man.
–Gojo
IF he were innocent, he would have nothing to hide. He was more concerned that speaking to the cops could indict a guilty man.
Gee, Gojo…you were up pretty late tonight…sleep much? remember when you used to turn into a pumpkin at Midnight?
The Rafter
Talk about shirt-tail relatives! The Rafter is related to somebody who was a good buddy of Jason Young. The Rafter put himself out there on the internet in the earlier days of the investigation. Very rapidly, he went from defending Jason Young to attacking Michelle’s relatives. Attacking them in a very personal manner. Lying about them, even. We heard that Meredith was a druggie. We heard about her African American boyfriend. We heard that Michelle’s mother, Linda, took early retirement from her position as a teacher due to some impropriety involving students. He was, oddly enough, critical of Linda’s and Meredith’s weight. He posted pictures of whales with their names attached.
Somebody discovered a recent picture of The Rafter–a picture that shows that he has…um…put on a little weight in recent times. With tongue firmly planted in cheek, the picture was posted on a forum that discusses the murder case.
Lo and behold, the forum owner got a threat from a lawyer. The Rafter’s lawyer, to be precise. Remove pictures of the Rafter and references to his business, or else.
Another poster states:
I wouldn’t be afraid of someone that threatened a lawsuit against satire. The Rafter, we know, has been posting some pretty serious slander against Michelle Fisher Young’s family. I was contacted by the Rafter at Cybersleuths with all sorts of questionable comments and derogatory remarks about the family. He presented himself as someone connected to the case, he made personal statements about the family, he has been revealed, and he deserves no less than he delivered. The boat picture is far less offensive than the whale image he posted of Meredith.
I’d be happy to post it … and let him sue. What’s he going to say … uhm … I’m not that fat, I’m not that stupid looking, that isn’t fair to attach my name (and what I represent) to a fat guy eating in a sinking boat, but it is okay to post pictures on the internet referring to the sister of the victim, wife of my buddy, as a whale?
I’m not going to mention his name or his business, because I don’t want his damn lawyers coming after me…but my friend is correct: he deserves no less than he delivered.
He was the one who put his name and occupation out there. He was the one making libelous statements about the family of a murder victim.
He can dish it out, but not take it.
Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?
The Rafter’s Words
The Rafter posted with various nicknames at various sites. “Maple,” “Putup,” and “Skeptical,” among others. These posts were made on a public forum. He also posted names of investigative posters who supported those he hated, and names of their family members, also.
“More like Linda got it while she could from the boys in the same house with Meredith, Michelle and Husband – led to the divorce and Meredith’s illness, in my opinion. Linda tried to “GET IT” at the condo. Shook her big naked… in front of those boys, I hear, but they laughed in her big fat face. I would kick her to the curb, and Meredith, too……”
“I’ll start another rumor. Also a complete fabrication.
Someone who has the credinetials (sic) to know says Meredith Fisher is very ill. That someone had a talk with LE about Meredith and Mommy, about the same time that LE turned their attention away from JY.
Interesting to know that LE had a deep trove of info regarding the dirt bags, I hear.
LE was also very interested in Mommy’s interesting reputation – with boys and hot tubs, etc as well as Meredith’s behavior in Brevard – very interesting pictures that PEOPLE, etc. would like to see…JMO
No wonder Mommy and her seriously mentally ill daughter were kicked to the curb by hubby aka dad and the father.
All submitted to the polly, but I hear Linda and Meredith got lawyers and invoked their rights.
XXXXX, you are the Fisher mouthpiece. If I were their boy like you I wouldn’t want to have any family depositions made public. Iif (sic) I were Linda and Meredith I would shutup as they can’t putup.
Even the closely held points, doccumented (sic) .and sworn………….., would be devastating to Meredith and Linda, IMO
XXXXX, if you have the means and you don’t, private dicks (ex SBI and FBI) are really good and cheap. They take great pictures and provide lots of interesting reports that aren’t publicly available. Are you having fun yet?
This is making me sick. More later…
More Words from the Rafter
Here, we get two for the price of one:
Mimiof5 wrote: I share your opinion, Skep. Hopefully, she will plead guilty and save her dad the pain of a trial.
Skeptical: I do hope you are right, but I won’t hold my breath. I believe there will be an avalanche of bad press and digging into the past of Meredith and Linda. Do you think Linda will be charged for obstruction?
It’s my understanding that investigators are very interested in the “state of mind” of Meredith. With what we know, I bet Michelle visited the Psychologists because she was concerned about her little sister’s mental health. JMO Cheers*
If what I hear is true about Linda and the underage twins is true, I doubt a psychologist could help much. I hear it is the cause of her divorce.
I’m sympathetic to Meredith until she brutally killed her sister. How could any child deal with the sick relationship that allegedly occurred between Linda and the underage twins. All just my opinion. Cheers.
*The “Cheers” signature is present in many, though not all of the Rafter’s posts.
Notice how cleverly he uses the words “allegedly,” “I hear,” and other qualifiers. He likes to give the impression that he has inside information, the sources of which he can’t reveal. He also seems to think that, if he repeats this sick fantasy often enough, somebody will believe it. Judging by the frequency with which this garbage was linked at other forums, by the Rafter himself or others (Mimiof5, Cougermom, Kat4Eagles), somebody had an agenda of spreading it as far as possible.
Living in an atmosphere of total depravity would explain the descent into failure and mental illness.
Pervy – at the very least – JMO Cheers!
Meredith killed her sister and tried to pin it on JY to get the insurance. After LE learned everything regarding the depraved backgrounds of Linda and Meredith Fisher, Mommy and daughter got lawyers. Just my opinion.
I wouldn’t allow either one to be near me or my dogs, much less a child
Their plan to pin it on JY failed. I’ve heard that LE asked many, many questions regarding Linda and Mere’s “interesting backgrounds” and “Behaviral (sic) Health History.”
You think they believe Meredith is “Borderline.”
I’ve heard that LE IS AWARE of Meredith’s lengthy history of stealing from family and friends, as well as her volatile personality. I also hear that they have first hand info regarding the sick circumstances leading to the divorce.
I have to wonder where they got “first hand info.” Did the Rafter procure and produce these mythical twins?
IMO it would have been wise to have given Meredith Fisher a full body examination and DNA tests the day after the murder, as well as a complete examination of all her personal property – especially since her mother was immediately pointing the finger at JY.
Too bad LE took the bait as JY and Little girl will likely never know who killed their wife and mother.
Unfortunately, IMO, Linda Fisher has at least one personality disorder and is mentally dull and impaired.
IMO she used the brutal murder of her daughter to get even with JY for her perceived slights – the removal of Meredith from young employment and hosehold (sic), etc.
And what healthy or emotionally stable mother would begrudge a son-in-law from spending a few bucks to share a holiday with family…only an emotionally sick, jealous, envious, and desperate mother-in-law…very sad.
Justice for JY and the little girl.
OK, that’s about all I can take, for now….
Gojo Emerges From the Bottle
gojo wrote:
Well, Scout, I reckon it makes more sense and fits
better with local theories if the defense lawyers asked
for repeated postponements. I think that’s called making
the facts fit your theory. Reckon the media got it wrong?
Say, have you ever heard of an indictment being squashed?
I can’t find anything about it on Google but I’m sure I’ve heard of it.
I think a judge would have to do it?
Have you heard of the DA giving immunity? What I read
is that a person would then have to answer questions in front of
a grand jury or be jailed until he does. You reckon that’s how
the cops will persuade Jason to talk to them?
–Gojo
captainjoe wrote:
Try the word Quashed, English Major.
gojo wrote:
The Gojo still prefers to squash something….like a faulty indictment or a fake captain.
Say, Scout, what is your best guess why the DA has twice postponed the DP hearing? And why did the judge set the next hearing for August rather than September?
–Gojo
This fascinating little exchange occurred a few days ago. After months and months of silence, Gojo popped to let us know that Google let him down. Guess what? There was no referent for a “squashed indictment!” The Captain helpfully suggested that the Goje-man was using the wrong word, and, for his trouble, was accused of being a fake.
Nice, Gojo! So “The Gojo” pefers to squash, does he? Well, I got news. You can’t squash a captain with a fly swatter.
Of course the English Major (which doesn’t outrank a captain) used to be an English teacher, and should realize that squashing is much different from quashing–unless, of course, one has had one too many mint juleps in one’s quest for peace.
Is that what has happened here, Gojo? Has this horrible situation driven you to drink? Is it that you can’t stand the thought that Jason really did the unthinkable, or are you just a bit humiliated to find that you put all your internet cred down on such a loser? It’s OK, really. We have always known this day would come.
Stubborn Old Coot!
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject:
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Thanks, Scout. As I said before, I don’t know much
about the legal system. I raised the possibility of immunity and ‘quashing’ as something the DA might use
as an excuse for not going to trial. He might also use
the SBI troubles as an excuse to kick Jason loose.
If I remember correctly, the total focus of the investigation
changed when the SBI became involved in Feb. ’08.
–Gojo
Gojo, the DA does not need an excuse to release Jason. If any evidence were to emerge that exonerated him, he would be released pronto.
Here is RPD’s account of the SBI “troubles,” to which you refer:
Nice try Gojo. I don’t recall seeing any SW’s executed by the SBI?
For your information, SBI agent Tart joined Spivey in the fall of 2007 as “another set of eyes”. He was there to help WSCO, not to take over the investigation. The FBI, not SBI, produced the Hushpuppy shoe match that gave Spivey and WCSO the primary PC to raid Brevard and Etowah Valentines Day 2008.
The only issue with the SBI has been their past protocol on reporting results of blood stain evidence at a crime scene. There was a recent appeal case that showed apparent blood on a vehicle was confirmed in preliminary field tests, yet further lab tests proved it was not blood (1993). This crucial finding was withheld from the defense at trial.
Of course, the DA is now required by law to turn over every single piece of evidence (including SBI bench notes) to the defense. Impossible for a similar miscarriage of justice to reoccur.
Sounds like Gojo is hoping Manny can create some reasonable doubt by assassinating the SBI, CCBI, NCME and WCSO. If that is the primary defense strategy, bring it on.
Talk about a slam dunk case for the prosecution.
Thanks for the clarification, RPD.
In some weird way, it’s kind of cute that Gojo still defends Jason. I am in awe at his stubbornness in the face of Jason’s actions and the huge body of evidence accumulated over the past three and a half years. He’s still looking for the “real killers” to confess. “Ain’t gonna be no trial” is still his mantra.
I do have to wonder if he is on autopilot while his mind wanders the fields of memory, back to the halcyon days when Jason looked to him as a father figure and drank in his wisdom like Spring rain.
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject:
_________________
What, no one wants to talk to the surfgirl?
Well, she makes sense occasionally.
I took her advice and about 3 years ago
consulted two different seers. The message
was the same. The real killers will be charged
and will confess.
–Gojo
Consulting seers, Gojo? How does that fit with your “mountain man” persona? How does that fit with “that old-time religion?”
The real killer has been charged, and will probably never confess. I hope he does, though. I would love to hear his statement. Still, I think he will just sit silent through his very expensive capital murder trial, stonefaced.
“Surfgirl” makes much more sense than Gojo!
Poor Gojo…
Deflection Detection
Why are you and others, Scout, hung up on the idea of rape? Why not consensual? Any semen? Any knife wounds? Any bite marks? All the missing teeth accounted for? Any indication of two or more weapons? Who knows what was missed?
–Gojo
Hummmm. What do you think, Scout? Doesn’t Spivey seem kinda young to be put out to pasture like that? Promotion or demotion? I was impressed with Spivey’s conduct when I met him. Later he seemed to be under someone else’s influence. He changed.
–Gojo
Just a couple of recent posts from the Goje-Man at FPX. Since the Death Penalty was taken out of the mix, Gojo has returned to his weeping and wailing about anyone and everyone, involved or not involved, in this case.
To insist that the absence of a rape kit at autopsy (still beating that dead horse, eh, Gojo?) means anything in this case is to clutch at straws. To imply that Michelle might have had consensual sex with her killer is outrageous! Rather than admit the obvious, we are asked to accept the idea that a woman five months pregnant would be having an affair with a murderer! What a low opinion Gojo must have of women! Or is he implying that Michelle had an affair and Jason caught her “in the act” and killed her? Either way, sliming the reputation of a dead woman with not even a hint of evidence is truly a new low for the retired teacher, John Goins of Brevard, NC.
ETA: I almost missed the bit about “any indication of two or more weapons.” Is Gojo seriously suggesting that Michelle had consensual sex with “two or more” people who subsequently killed her? That puts Gojo’s new low even lower!
No matter how he tries to spin it, Sgt. Spivey’s promotion is just that; a promotion. He is now out of the investigative branch of the WCSO. He no longer has to view crime scenes such as Michelle’s and investigate scumsuckers like Jason and his roadblock-throwing cronies. No more will he be called out of his home at all hours to look at and detail horrific murders. Now he takes charge of Courthouse Security and a whole flock of bailiffs. Congratulations, Sgt Spivey.
The sergeant changed, did he? Possibly because (if he ever actually spoke to him) he thought Gojo was a reasonable human being, at first. Later, after he learned about Gojo’s attempts to discredit him, the entire WSCO, the SBI, the victim’s family, and anyone else who thought Jason might be other than a pure mountain boy scout, he got wise.
You bring it on yourself, Gojo. I’m not sure I could be civil to you, at this point, and I am truly a very nice person. You, I would like to gag with a chainsaw.
